International Space University - Orbit 10.02

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CARIANN HIGGINBOTHAM: Coming up, "Moon Express" gets ever closer to the moon. MICHAEL CLARK:.
Astronauts complete.
A spacewalk for the.
Second battery swap out. CARIANN HIGGINBOTHAM: And then I conduct an interview with our very own Lisa Stojanovski about International Space University..
All that and more coming up on this episode of "TMRO." [THEME MUSIC].
Welcome to Orbit 10..
This is episode 2..
I am Cariann..
Of course, I've got Mike. And you can see Deta now, because Mr. Jared is actually off on an excursion..
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Started, I want.
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Of joining us on this orbital journey, if you will. I hope Ben likes.
That particular part. This, of course, is.
January 14th of 2017. And a lot of really.
Interesting, fun things have already happened, even just today..
I might have done a.
Little bit of screening and a little bit of.
Crying before the show. So excuse me for that. But--.
Oh, man..
Right?.
I think I got my.
Dogs all excited,.
Jumping up and down.
Out of excitement..
Oh, awesome..
Oh, just the thought.
Of that makes me laugh, because then I think of Jared laughing your dogs. So there's that..
But of course, we want to-- as we always like to start off the show, because how awesome is it that we can always start the show with a launch. Mike?.
Yeah..
We had a launch.
This last week..
And not even the launch that we just launched. I know..
Not even the.
Launch that we just.
Watched, which we don't have any footage of that to replay it for you yet. But I'm sure everyone in the chat room.
Has just seen that already. But the launch that we did want to show you guys is actually a Chinese launch..
They had a second launch. They are the second ones to launch this year..
Amazing..
And this is from a kind of really interesting rocket. It's called the Kuaizhou 111. And this is based off of an old mobile launcher, ICBM. I wanted to show.
Some footage here.
Of their preparation.
Of the rocket.
Before we watch.
The launch itself..
Now with this rocket, it's a three stage solid rocket booster..
And it possibly has.
A secret fourth stage that's liquid fueled as well, to boost the payloads into its intended orbit. And with this, the.
Rocket is marketed.
By a company called ExPace. Space And you can see on screen how it deploys from the mobile launcher. Now this footage of this rocket and a similar type of rocket, the Long March 11,.
Has been secret..
This is the first time they published it..
Let's check out the footage. That is really cool..
That is really fast..
MICHAEL CLARK: So this is the launch itself. Just like a lot of solid, it takes right off the pad. Right off the pad..
And so what we're seeing here happened on Monday, January 9th at 4:11 coordinated universal time from the Jiuquan Space Center, the one that's in northwest China in the Gobi Desert..
And it had three.
Payloads on board..
The primary payload was a earth imaging satellite called the Lingqiao 3 satellite. And then there was also two experimental cube sets on this launch as well. And it went into a polar orbit, orbiting around the poles rather than the equator. So that was a successful launch, and China's.
Hoping to market that rocket more and get a lot more commercial launches with that. So congratulations for that successful launch, and I'm really happy that they decided to share footage of it this time..
Last time when they.
Had a Long March 11.
Launch at the end of last year, as you remember, all we had was just the one picture. Right..
That was really cool to see. And it's funny, it's.
One of those things.
That it didn't quite sink. You said that this is a modified ICBM, and I was like, oh. And then I watch and I'm like, oh, and it's really fast. Yeah, that makes sense. It's really fast..
All right..
Good job..
I'm still learning,.
So there's that..
In any case--.
So the other thing that we have to talk about is a little bit more earthbound. How's that for a segue, huh? Yeah, that's very good. We're getting better at this. So tell me a little bit more about things happening here on earth, Mike..
So with the whole.
Earth imaging thing,.
There's two American.
Companies that.
Are both in the earth imaging business commercially, and that is a company called Planet, formerly Planet Labs, and Terra Bella. Now some of you may.
Not know, but last--.
Actually in 2015--.
The founders of Google started a new umbrella corporation called Alphabet, which would manage Google so that Google can just focus on internet.
Services, and then all these new different companies, including Terra Bella, can be managed by Alphabet so that Google can do Google. And with this, they recently-- Can I just stop you.
For just a nanosecond? Can you imagine saying that phrase or that paragraph five years ago?.
It would sound like.
Complete gibberish..
Google made an umbrella company called Alphabet so Tella Berra--.
Terra Bella can just.
Do its own thing.
And Google can do its own. If your grandparents.
Could hear you now,.
They wouldn't know what you're talking about. Anyhow..
Sorry..
Keep going..
I understand..
Well, Alphabet's trying to sell Terra Bella..
I guess they're trying to get rid of that..
And the whole reason.
That they started,.
That they bought Terra Bella in the first place-- they used to be called Skybox Imaging--.
Was to help improve.
Google Maps, as well as to sell commercial images. Now there's a lot of.
Rumors going around.
That Planet, or.
Formerly Planet Labs, is seeking to.
Acquire Terra Bella..
And that would be.
Really interesting..
Just real quick--.
Terra Bella has.
61 dove satellites.
That are in orbit currently. And it also has five.
Other satellites.
That it acquired.
From a company called Black Ridge that it acquired last year-- actually, also in 2015..
And then there's the satellites that Terra Bella has. Those are images from their satellites, which I've spaced the name on that. But they have five of those in orbit currently-- four of which launched on the Vega rocket last year in September. And they're planning on launching another four of those later this year on Orbital ATK's Minotaur-C rocket..
So that would be.
Really interesting.
If both of these commercial earth imaging companies were to merge and to produce more beautiful images and to be able to.
Get a lot of data..
I mean, there's so much stuff that you can use it. You know, I'm thinking mainly of agriculture and stuff like that..
But that would be really interesting to see..
And I hope that that.
Would actually go through. But that's just opinion. That would be really cool. So--.
Let's see--.
I get to do some news now, which I haven't.
Done in a really long time. So bear with me on that. So Moon Express, that you may or may not have heard of before, and a Google Lunar XPRIZE, that you definitely.
Have heard of before, because I know we've talked about that-- the Google Lunar.
XPRIZE, for those of you who are unfamiliar, is talking about trying.
To get companies.
Or groups together.
To launch a payload to the moon, a Rover hopefully or some sort of vehicle that can move around a little bit. And they want you.
To be able to land..
And you have to traverse about 500 meters or so, or more-- that's if you can do that-- and then spend the night, like stay overnight.
And survive their night. And then you have to.
Beam down some pictures and/or video from the moon. And then you can win a really gigantic prize, which is really cool. And one of those companies is called Moon Express and they have that.
Really cool logo that you saw a couple of seconds ago. And Moon Express just announced on January 13th that they've closed.
A $20 million.
Financing round, which is really, really great. They actually have been able to secure $45 million or so. I think that's total. And they're actually looking for another 10 million just for kind of contingencies and what have you,.
Because things go wrong. This is a rocket thing. But the nice thing about having that $20 million is that it secures them a spot on a rocket, actually with Rocket Lab, which is really great-- a New Zealand slash American company there--.
That they can launch on Rocket Lab on an electron vehicle, is what I'm trying to say. And then their.
Lunar lander, which.
Is called an MX1E,.
We will be able to do the traversment of.
The 500 meter, which.
Is one of the.
Requirements, in a kind of hopping kind of maneuver, which is sort of cool. I don't think it will be hop along like a bunny, but it will do a couple of hops. Look how cool that vehicle is. It's so neat..
MICHAEL CLARK: Kind of almost like one of the vehicles that Masten has, where they'll take off and kind of hover over and land again via.
Engine power, is what I was able to take from that. Here's a little bit.
Of video, which is.
Really amazing, of them doing some tests..
They're doing a lot of this testing down in Florida. And when the electron vehicle launches,.
It will launch from.
Launch complex 17.
At Cape Canaveral.
Air Force Base..
And then I wish I would say that this is footage, but this is, of course, a computer generation idea, a simulation, of how they think everything is going to go once they're on the moon. And then you just kind of hop around and move over. And then land and all that other great stuff. And like I said,.
Spend the night,.
Take some pictures--.
Typical stuff.
That you do on a vacation. That's what we're looking for. So that's really great. So they've secured the money. They will be able to launch. And hopefully-- hopefully-- win the Google Lunar XPRIZE, which is really super exciting. Super exciting..
Go ahead..
So would you say,.
Cariann, then that you're rooting most for Moon Express, or do you.
Have any other favorites? It's one of those things-- you know, it's funny that we have this sort of all ships rise with the tide.
Kind of mentality,.
Because it's totally true. But it's also a really great thing for me.
To hide behind and.
Say, it doesn't really matter, as long as.
Somebody does it..
I like all of them..
I do like all of them. I think I have more of a personal connection to Moon Express for a couple.
Of different reasons, after having sort of gone in to covering the space news business, if you will. Formally Space Cast now of course is tomorrow for-- this is orbit ten, so about 10 years or so. I feel like I've been following Moon Express for a little bit longer, or I don't know if they've just gotten more face time, or if I've met more of the people on their team, or kind of what happened there. But yeah, I do sort of-- I have this little bit of a soft spot for Moon Express. And they have a really cool logo, which does totally help. I mean, let's be honest. That's awesome..
But yeah, no, of course. I think it's one.
Of those great--.
Oh, what's that word. Cooperate-tion sort.
Of moments where--.
It doesn't have to be Moon Express for me,.
Because it's not one of those Packers versus Vikings NFL sort of situations..
It's like, I just.
Want somebody to win. I just want somebody to do it. I want someone to figure it out and I want somebody to win. And it doesn't matter to me who it really is. Ultimately, I just.
Want it to get.
Done, because what.
These teams are doing and how ever it is that they're going about doing it is just laying the groundwork for the next people.
To be able to improve upon it, right?.
Absolutely..
No, I totally agree..
And it's like, no matter who wins, all of us who've been following this,.
We all will win,.
As long as somebody will win the competition..
As long as somebody does it, we all will win,.
And more and more.
Opportunities will come about. Moon Express wants to do all this lunar mining and stuff like that, if they.
Were able to win..
Or even if someone.
Else wins, that's.
Going to bring a whole lot more attention.
And hopefully a lot more investment and even more cool things are going to happen so. Exactly..
I'm right there with you. It's-- what's-- I'm sure there's a cheesy line that Ben would say, throw out.
Right about now--.
Something along the lines of, you know who wins? Humanity wins..
[LAUGHTER].
That's right..
That is something Ben would say. I've got to channel the Ben-credible a little bit there..
Hope he's still watching and I hope he groaned a little bit. Any case, let's talk about something a little bit between Earth and the moon. Let's talk about spacewalks. Mike, what have you got? Great segue..
Great to have you back on the space news..
Oh my goodness..
So yeah, we're talking as a follow up to the spacewalk that happened at the International Space Station last week, this week-- actually just yesterday on Friday-- we had the second.
Spacewalk to complete all the installation of the new lithium ion batteries to swap out for the old nickel hydrogen batteries. And this time it was a NASA astronaut, Shane Kimbrough, and ESA astronaut,.
Thomas Pesquet..
And this was actually the first time.
That he was able to.
Go on a spacewalk..
And he's only the.
Fourth French national who's ever done a spacewalk. So that's pretty cool for him. And they were able.
To complete the task.
That they needed to.
Complete, the installation, so that a little bit later they can turn all of it on and restore that solar truss into the power network. What they had to do was install the two remaining adapter plates that were able to connect the new lithium ion batteries to the.
Station's network,.
And then also removing and stowing the third out of the 12 of the old batteries into a position that will remain there at the station, and then getting the rest of them ready to be-- which most of them.
Have already been.
Loaded onto the Japanese HTB-6 cargo vessel,.
Which brought up the new lithium ion batteries. And next month,.
Actually February 1st, is when it's scheduled to re-enter the atmosphere. And all of those will be disposed, those old batteries, as well as any other.
Trash that they've.
Loaded on board the vehicle. So that was really.
Cool that they were.
Able to complete all the tasks. And they completed it early. Even better..
MICHAEL CLARK: Yeah..
They were able to complete it two hours ahead of schedule and start doing a lot of get ahead tasks.
And get things ready to go. I mean, they have.
Their robotic arm.
That has a really.
Cool robot called.
Dextre that has lots of different arms and tools on it. They can do a lot of.
Stuff without astronauts having to be outboard-- excuse me, outside the station, doing a lot of the work. But there are still some things that they can't do. Even on this spacewalk before they went on this second one, the Dextre robot.
Wasn't able to screw.
Some of the bolts on the into its adapter.
Plate all the way in. They weren't able to.
Screw it all the way in. So one of the tasks that they had to do on this spacewalk was to go and just kind of finish tightening it up. Most of the work was done, but just the last couple of tweaks to get everything good to go. So there wasn't a whole lot of information.
On what the get ahead tasks that they accomplished, because they cut the live feed after they completed their scheduled tasks. But whatever those are, I'm sure that's probably in preparation for the next lithium ion battery swaps, and also some investigations on some of the experiments that are outside the space station on those trusses, like the alpha.
Magnetic spectrometer. They need to do some.
Investigation on that because they had some faulty instruments..
But in any case, that's just me theorizing..
It was nearby..
So that sounds like something they could have done, but I don't know.
Exactly what they did. But in any case, very cool. And hopefully they.
Won't have any problems with these new batteries. don't have anything.
Weird, like the Galaxy Note problems or anything like that, with it exploding in fire or something like that. Too soon, too soon..
Too soon..
It's funny, because when I think lithium ion batteries, I know that lithium.
Ion batteries are.
In a lot of things,.
But that was one.
Of the first things I thought of was like, oh, like cell phone. I won't mention that. Never mind..
Just kidding..
So let's just move on. But no, in all serious note, the Japanese space agency did a lot of quality.
Controls on these.
And like, really pushed them to the limit.
To try to make them explode. So I'm fairly confident that nothing like that would happen. I hope I didn't.
Jinx anything by--.
No, goodness no..
But no, they really did do a lot of work on them and tried to really push them to their limits. Perfect..
Yay..
So in classic.
Cariann news stories, I had to bring up something that was just pretty, because that's just me..
This is you..
It's just pretty..
Look how pretty that is. It's so amazing..
This is--.
MICHAEL CLARK: So, wait-- that's an image of what we were just all talking about, everything in between, right there..
CARIANN HIGGINBOTHAM: Exactly. So this is planet Earth and planet Earth's moon. And this was-- this image is actually a dual image. It's two different images that were kind of stitched together a little bit so.
You could see them.
Very clearly and.
Beautifully, as they.
Are taken from 127.
Million miles away,.
Or 205 million kilometers away. This was caught on.
November 20th, 2016,.
From the HiRISE imaging-- what am I trying to say-- camera that is on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. So this is the image of Earth and its moon from Mars. So if you're a martian-- MICHAEL CLARK: From an orbiter around Mars..
Wow..
CARIANN HIGGINBOTHAM: Yeah. If you're martian and you have a telescope, this is how you see us. Does that make any sense? MICHAEL CLARK: Yeah,.
That's really cool..
That puts it in.
Perspective really well. And this wasn't just.
Done just for the.
Prettiness of the picture, although it is an.
Absolutely stunning picture. This is actually one.
Of the ways that HiRISE uses to calibrate the image-- oh, man I am--.
MICHAEL CLARK: The camera, the instruments on it. Thank you--.
Because, which is.
Something I didn't know, the reflectance of the moon side that faces earth is actually like a.
Known reflectance..
So you can go, oh.
Well, that should.
Be x, y, or z, which.
Means if I can calibrate that way, then anything else that I'm looking at is now calibrated..
Does that follow?.
Yeah, yeah..
It's kind of like how on the Mars rovers,.
How they have an American flag printed on it,.
And they'll have the cameras pan down to it and kind of color correct so the.
Flag looks correct,.
Before looking up and making sure they have everything color corrected. Is that kind of in.
The same ballpark..
Kind of in the same.
Ball park, exactly..
Thank you for those words, because apparently I'm failing. It's just a really amazing-- it's one of those things-- it's a perspective that we don't typically get, because we're not martians and we're not hanging out on Mars. And it's just a really beautiful, gorgeous image. And I thought, you.
Know, why don't I.
Just show off a little bit on how we look today, which is today..
It was November 20th. But you know, I'm sure we look like that a lot. Oh, actually Deta, can you go back to the image really quickly?.
Because there was sort of like a weird not quite Easter egg. It's hard to see, but bear with me for a moment. There is a darker.
Reddish landmass.
Kind of on the lower end. And that is Australia. I'm laughing because-- MICHAEL CLARK: So we're seeing a picture of Mini Stodge right now?.
Pretty much..
Isn't it amazing?.
She's waving..
For those of you.
Who don't know, I.
Will be interviewing Mini Stodge, or Lisa Stojanovski, in our second.
Segment of the show..
And we already.
Have her on Skype,.
So she can kind of follow along as to what's going on. And she got really excited when I mentioned that. So yes, so a little reddish kind of brownish land mass there. And that happens to be Australia in that image, which is really cool..
There you go..
So let's get off of Mars. Let's talk about other things. Mike, what do you got for me? So I did just have one more quick kind of follow up. I'll try to get.
Through this quickly. But if you guys remember, last year on December 1st, Russia tried to launch the Progress MSO-4 cargo spacecraft to the space station. And it failed..
It failed to reach orbit and they lost telemetry before the third stage engine was supposed to cut off. A couple of minutes-- CARIANN HIGGINBOTHAM: Yeah, that was really confusing. There was a lot of weirdness going around with that. So will we have.
Some answers now?.
Is that what's going on? The Roscosmos has completed their accident investigation on that..
And from all the.
Data that they were.
Able to collect.
From the telemetry.
Before they weren't.
Receiving any data any more, they were able to.
Determine that there.
Was an explosion.
In the third stage..
And you're seeing the third stage on screen right now. And what they're thinking is that some sort of debris either entered into.
The engine and then got into the fuel pump, or there was some quality control issues. And that's the.
Theory that they're.
Leaning most towards is that there was something that went wrong during.
The manufacturing,.
Because the origin.
Of the explosion.
Started in one of the fuel pumps and then that caused the engine to under perform, then ignited the oxidizer tank. And that explosion is why they believe they lost telemetry with the spacecraft..
But it partially.
Survived because they did receive a signal.
For a little while.
Before they completely lost contact.
With the Progress spacecraft. Now they did have a similar accident like this last year-- or excuse me, back in 2015-- where they had a kind of-- the third stage didn't separate from the Progress vehicle. So it just spun out.
Of control because it had all this extra.
Weight on the end..
At first when this.
Happened this year,.
I thought it was.
Something similar..
But this was a.
Full on explosion..
And since then, they have decided to take lots of steps to investigate the third stages on the remaining Soyuz-U rocket variants that the Progress was launched on so.
That the next progress vehicle can hopefully launch successfully, as well as inspect and do some quality control on all of the other more modern Soyuz variants. And I'm really.
Hoping that they can.
Either get through the rest of the old Soyuz-U rockets successfully, or just scrap them and reuse parts for something else..
But just like, ugh, man. They've had a couple.
Problems with these old ones. These are the ones that use the old analog flight computers on them..
So another example of the kind of workforce declining in Russia..
And I really hope that they're able to figure out the problem and hopefully not have any more issues like this in the future. But we'll see..
Since this was a cargo vehicle, I can kind of understand why the quality control isn't as good as, say, the Soyuz rockets that are used for the human space flight..
Those is what they give most of their focus.
On because failure is not an option when it comes to the human spaceflight. But in any case,.
Hopefully they'll.
Be able to recover.
From that soon..
They haven't gotten launch-- well, they haven't.
Given themselves.
Launch clearance.
For Soyuz rockets,.
But they hopefully will be launching a proton rocket soon. But there are a couple of Soyuz flights coming up within the next.
Couple of months that hopefully will be cleared for launch and launch successfully. So just wanted to give a quick update on that. Really nice..
Well, and as well as other sort of quick updates here, one of the things that we didn't get a chance to cover because we just don't have footage yet because it's just entirely too.
Fresh and too new.
Was that there was.
A SpaceX launch..
And it seems like.
Everything there.
Is going very well,.
According to their webcast. So congratulations.
There, of course..
It's all very, very exciting. And 2017 so far seems to be looking up.
And up and up and up and up into space I guess. I just keep hearing Ben in the back of my head. It's a really terrible there. Oh goodness..
Anyway, I wanted to make sure that I ended this segment on a light note, or at least a happy note, if anything else. And so while we close out this segment,.
We're going to go to.
Really quick break,.
I'm going to run over to the observation deck, and then I will be.
Interviewing our very own Lisa Stojanovski about all kinds of fun things,.
And that little brown patch on the picture you saw, which I think is kind of cool. So we'll be right back, and enjoy the break..
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SONG: Look into her face, determination in her eyes. She won't give up or quit or fall for little fashioned lies. Filled with awesome expectation, this girl's a fascination. Nothing in her way will keep her from her destination 'cause she's fire walking. She's fire walking..
When it's hot she.
Keeps on moving,.
Through the heat.
Keeps on improving..
Yeah, she's fire walking. She's fire walking to be free. Welcome back..
Still me..
That's the way it is today. But I also have the support of the person I am interviewing, which is Lisa..
To that, I want.
To make sure that we give a huge shout out to our-- you know, another.
Huge shout out..
I would say huge shout out, and I do actually mean a huge shout out, but I actually never.
Do the shout out..
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Ready?.
Go to the slate..
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In any case, like I.
Said, I'm Cariann..
I'm going to be.
Interviewing Lisa..
Hello, Lisa..
Hey, how are you doing? Fabulous, I think..
This is Lisa Stojanovski. Some of you may.
Recognize her as being-- she drove some space.
Pods for tomorrow,.
Which is really amazing, because she has to do them upside down. That's the Ben joke.
Of the segment..
And she does a really great job with all of our space pods. But she also does a lot of really interesting things, like International Space University, also known as ISU. And we both got haircuts, so now we match..
So this is really.
Exciting for me..
Except your hair's blue and mine's not, but that's OK. Well, that's the only way they can tell us apart now. So I'm actually right now still traveling,.
Because I was just at the International Space University, or ISU's, Southern.
Hemisphere program..
It runs in Adelaide every year in the Australian summer, which is very hot..
So I don't know why they choose to run it then. But it's a five week.
Program with ISU..
And I actually did.
The course last year, and I went back for the first week of this year's program so I could take some footage about everything that was going on and about what the program is all about. And I wanted to share that with you guys.
Because it's a fantastic program and it's.
Teaching the next generation of space explorers.
To be intercultural,.
Interdisciplinary,.
And international as well. And that's the kind of three I's tenant of ISU is to have those kind of three different focuses to kind of give you a whole different perspective on the space industry, which I think is really, really cool. It is really cool..
I have a weird, quick question. So International.
Space University.
Is obviously international and open to anybody international. But this one is particular to the southern hemisphere. Does that mean that,.
As an American,.
I am able to attend this particular national space university?.
Not at all..
In fact, you're.
Encouraged to come.
To this particular program. So ISU kind of has three programs that they run. They do a master's.
Course, which is.
In the campus, physical campus in Strasbourg in France. And that's just a kind of traditional masters course. Then they have a summer Space Studies program, which is a nine week program that travels around the world. flagship program of ISU. But the southern hemisphere program is open to everyone. It just happens to be in the southern hemisphere in Australia every year. And that one doesn't move. And it's slightly shorter at five weeks, which.
Makes it kind of more accessible, I guess?.
So there are lots of.
Different countries, people from countries, that come around to this Southern hemisphere course..
In my year, there was 11 different countries. And I've actually.
Got some footage.
Of the different countries that are present in this year's course, because I.
Believe we had about.
Nine different nationalities that were represented in the opening ceremony of the ISU Southern Hemisphere course this year..
CARIANN HIGGINBOTHAM: Nice. So we've got.
Some footage here..
We've got Australia, of course. And that's the contingent from Australia..
And these are the participants of this year's course. We have Austria as well. China is actually the largest contingent.
Of participants this year, which I think is fantastic, because it's great to see different countries collaborating with.
China in space,.
Because as you guys might know, China unfortunately is not involved with the International Space Station. But it's been great to make connections with China here. We have France as well. Germany..
We also have India..
And five participants from Mexico.
Who heard about the course through going to the IAC conference last year in Mexico. You also have Nigeria. And finally, a participant from the Philippines as well. So there's a whole different range of both established space countries being.
Represented, and up.
And coming space.
Nations as well..
So it's a really good chance for these participants from different countries to network and start.
Collaborating with each other to hopefully go back to their own home countries and build on those collaborations and networks that they've made through doing the ISU program. So what kind of things get covered in the ISU program? Because space, as we both know, is a very big topic, right? Any time that I mentioned that I have this cute little video webcast and we talk.
About space, and then somebody will say like, oh, you mean like aliens? And I'm like, no, no, no. Not like aliens..
And somebody will say, oh, you mean like Planet X? And I'll say, no, no. Not really like.
Planet X. They're.
Like, oh, so you're talking about like NASA history? Like no, not exactly that. There are so many things that we could talk about. And when you have something like not even just like,.
Oh, we're only.
Going to talk about.
Australia's space,.
Or only going to talk about American space, about China's space..
What are the kinds of things that somebody.
Can expect by attending International Space University? So one of the.
Three I's of ISU--.
I mentioned international before, but interdisciplinary is also one of the big focuses. So for one part of.
The program, you.
Have a lecture.
Series that consists.
Of 40 lectures, which are usually given by experts in the space industry. So for example, Dr..
Ray Williamson who.
Used to work for the.
Secure World Foundation, regularly gives the space policy lectures because he's an expert on space.
Policy, specifically.
With most experience in the US. And you don't just learn about policy though..
It's all about being.
Interdisciplinary..
So you learn about policy. You learn about space law. You learn about engineering. You learn about biology, life sciences, and space medicine. And you even cover a.
Little bit on business as well, because the commercial side of space is up and coming, and there are so many space start-ups around there. So it's all kind of about giving you that wide, holistic view of the space industry from all those different perspectives, to build a greater awareness of all the different opportunities that are happening in space. So I think that's a really cool part of the program because I'm a scientist, and when I did the program, I didn't know much.
About engineering..
I knew hardly anything about space law..
But when I came out.
From the course,.
My knowledge in all.
Those different areas that I would have never studied on my own had grown so much. And I could see how they were all related as well. The other things that you can do in the program-- well, the other parts of the program besides the lecture series, are the workshops, and finally the team project. Now the workshops that you do, in particular, one of them focuses always on team building. And this year,.
The astronaut that.
Was running the team.
Building workshop.
Was the Korean astronaut, So-yeon Yi, actually.
The first Korean.
Astronaut in space..
And she was able to run a team building workshop with our participants this year, which.
Might seem kind of strange that there's such a big focus on team building..
And you can see that she's teaching the students here. What they had to do is get amongst themselves. And they were.
Actually blindfolded, which you will be.
Able to see now..
Then they had to spin around, disorientate themselves, and form a square.
With equal sides..
Now how do you think you might be able to try and find other people to make yourself a square in your team without even being able to see. It was all about who.
Became the leaders, who became the followers, and ultimately,.
How to become a good.
Listener, because if everyone was talking at the same time, you couldn't get anything done. They tried lots of.
Different ways to do this, and natural leaders.
Came out into the group and were able to kind of become the one that organized all the people. But it was really cool to see the group dynamics that it formed..
And these guys took.
Maybe 10 go's or more to finally get themselves in a bit of a square shape. But then the corners.
Weren't good..
So then they had to get someone to come along and fix the corners..
So it was all about putting your trust into other people so that you could get the job done that you needed to do. Now why does that.
Relate to space?.
Well, the first space explorers that we had, the Yuri Gagarins.
And the John Glenns,.
Were the kind of super confident pilots that could do anything. But when we want to.
Go to Mars or if we.
Want to colonize space or live in space for a long time, we really need to be.
Really good housemates and have really good social skills and good teams. So that's why the focus is so huge on building those strong team connections and being good leaders and good followers..
So I think that.
Part of the course.
As well is quite stunning. That's really interesting. Really, I am a.
Fantastic follower..
I will totally.
Follow directions..
I have no problems just not making decisions. But I also am.
Slightly rebellious,.
And if I think that my leader is making a bad decision or a very detrimental decision, then all of a sudden.
You'll start to hear me, which is exactly how Ben and I get into fights sometimes. But that's OK..
That's-- gosh, that's really fascinating..
So you've attended.
International Space University for at least one course, one-- what are they called? Is that a course?.
It's just a short program, I guess you could call it. A program..
So I imagine me--.
The way that I know you-- that you would go on.
To go on to more International Space University courses or programs..
Would that be a fair assessment? I mean, I've considered it. You can always take.
Your experience.
From the Southern.
Hemisphere program or just the regular Space.
Studies program,.
And you can take that through to the masters. In fact, you get.
Credit for the lectures that you do in the short programs as part of the masters as well, which really saves you time..
But I guess one of the things that you can kind of take with you when.
You leave the ISU.
Course is from some of the other experiences that you can do. For example, we launched a stratospheric balloon to-- I think it was 34.
Kilometers high in the sky. And I've got a video.
Here to show you.
Guys that kind of summarized our balloon launch, which I was running the webcast for, which was pretty cool. So again, this is how ISU brings the teams together. And you kind of have to do this from scratch. You have to plan out what you're going to put on this balloon. You have to build it. You have to launch it. And hopefully, if.
You're really lucky,.
You get to recover it as well. So you can see here that they're attaching the payload to the balloon that we're going to send up into near space. And this carried two cameras. It carried an infrared camera and a visible light camera, which we were able to collect the data off and do a bit of analysis on the vegetation around the area where we launched it. So something that I had no experience in before. And now I can take.
That knowledge.
And explain it to people when they ask me like, what's so cool about space? What can you learn from space? Well, you can find out how healthy plants are for a start. So here's the launch.
Of the balloon..
It launched pretty.
Quickly, actually..
LISA STOJANOVSKI: I've got some images coming through there. It was really cool..
I was in the car that-- oh, here's some images from space. It's pretty cool..
Well, space, near space. I was part of the team that had to go and collect this balloon after it came back down to the ground. So there was radio.
Tracking on there..
So we could follow the balloon as it burst,.
Which you can see here. As it was falling.
Down, we had to track where it was going to land. So we had to jump in the cars, race through the outback, as you can see here, which is quite dry and quite dead looking..
And then we had to.
Trek through the bush to go and find this payload. So we learned a lot.
About radio tracking.
As well just through.
This hands on experience. And it did crash kind of hard, as you will be able to see. Oh, oh goodness..
Oh..
LISA STOJANOVSKI: But it survived, which is amazing. And this is how.
Far into the bush.
We had to go to get the payload. Pretty far..
And, oh, I wonder who that is? So that's another.
One of the projects.
You can do with the ISU Southern Hemisphere program. And you also write a.
White paper as well..
But I can tell you guys a bit more about that later, if you'd like..
It's quite a large.
Project that you.
Do at the end of the course. Is that something you do at the end of every course? Yes..
Like every five weeks or every nine weeks or what have you? So each course, whether it's the five week or the nine week program, they--.
As a kind of deliverable at the end of it--.
They produce a report. So for example in my.
Year, our report topic was space solutions for food and water security. And I believe I have a picture of the beautiful front cover of the report that my year actually produced. And we kind of just-- it was a 50 page.
Report about what.
Space can do for.
Developing nations.
To help them manage their food and their water.
Resources from space. So there are so many.
Countries, especially in the southern hemisphere, that are quite underdeveloped. And there are lots of different ways that space can help them in terms of providing better lifestyles.
And better standards of living for their people, which is pretty cool,.
Because a lot of people think that space.
Doesn't help the earth, but when we do research like this through ISU, we're showing people how space can help people down here on Earth as well. So that's a 50 page report that the participants have about three weeks to write. So pretty great.
Achievement to get.
All of that done in that really short amount of time. What is a typical day at look like?.
Because what you just told me was, there's a ton of lectures. There's totally group projects. There's all this.
Team building stuff..
You have to write a paper which, first of all,.
Still sounds like a university. So good..
They named it correctly. But are you getting up at 6:00 in the morning and going to bed at.
4:00 in the morning?.
So at the beginning of the course, it's not too bad. The beginning of the course is when the lecture series is. So a typical day with the lectures is breakfast, of course-- the most.
Important meal of the day-- and then lectures from 9:00 till about 12:00, have some time for.
A very quick lunch..
Then you'll do a workshop in the afternoon,.
Whether that's team building or some hands on experience with things like STK, a computer program which stands for Satellite.
Tool Kit, I believe..
And then you'll.
Have some dinner..
And then the late.
Evening is for things where you're working.
On your balloon.
That you're going.
To launch, or you're.
Doing research for.
Your paper, or doing.
Some editing for that paper, or any other multitude of tasks that need to get done. So it's a full day.
From when you wake up to going to bed at.
10:00, maybe even later. That completely even gets worse during the end of the course, where you're trying to get this 50 page report finished, edited, and graphically designed into a nice looking booklet. And so your day then looks like waking up at 6:00 and then working on.
That for the whole day, and then maybe going.
To bed at 1:00 or 2:00. And then getting up.
At maybe 6:00 again.
And taking shifts with the other participants of the course on who gets to sleep at which time. And maybe bringing food to the editing team.
That is still frantically editing three hours.
Before the printing deadline. So we call that ISU time, because it's basically fitting as much into one day.
As you possibly can.
And challenging.
Yourself to a level.
That you've never.
Challenged yourself before, and pushing yourself.
To learn and do things in a kind of next.
Level of brain usage. So that's an unsustainable way to work in the long term. But over five weeks, it sure does get a lot of stuff done. And so, yeah, the.
Program kind of shows you how to work at your.
Very, very best..
That sounds awesome, actually. It probably sounds like super, super stressful for a lot of people..
And it sounds like it would still be a stressful-- like I understand.
Going into it, it.
Would be stressful to have that kind of perspective. But it just sounds.
Like so much fun..
So much fun..
I guess one of my favorite parts of the whole course is the fact that we get to live with an astronaut for the first week.
Of the course..
So-- well, in my course, we had two astronauts. We had the wonderful Bob Thirsk, Robert Thirsk, from Canada. And we also had Jean-Jacques Favier from France..
And this year's course had the astronaut from Korea, as I mentioned, So-yeon Yi. And absolutely.
Amazing that you get.
To be so close to these astronauts and kind of really get to know them on I guess a personal level and hear their space stories and just be kind of immersed in that experience and kind of share that experience with them, which I guess as just a regular person in the space industry, maybe.
You don't kind of.
Have that close of.
Access or relationship to those kind of people. In fact, So-yeon was telling us a really cool story about how it was her first spaceflight. She went to the window. She was so excited.
To try and find.
Her country or her hometown, because any time someone-- like for example, if there's a really tall tower in your city and you go up to the.
Top of the tower,.
You're trying to look for something that's familiar. So you try and find, where's my school, or where's my house? The same thing for astronauts. So where's my country? You want to find that familiarity so you can connect with the earth again. And so she could see they were flying over Europe and then they were.
Flying over China..
And it took so long,.
Like 10 minutes.
For them to pass over China, because China is just so big. And then finally,.
They got to Korea..
And she was so excited. She went to get the.
Camera and she came back and they had already passed Korea because it was so small. Oh, that's so sad..
That's completely.
Something I would do. Definitely..
Especially when.
You're like, right..
Europe..
There's the boot..
That's-- oh, man..
This is-- yeah, cool. Oh, there it is..
Ah..
Aw..
That's hilarious..
Oh, I love it..
How amazing..
That's very, very cool. So I don't think that we've ever asked you.
The standard set of questions. No, you have not..
So before we do.
That-- really quickly, if somebody is interested in going to International Space University, how?.
How do they do that?.
Well, for a start, they could follow ISU on Twitter @isunet. They can also visit the ISU web site, which is isunet.edu. And you can get all.
Information on all ISU programs there, whether it's the masters program, the traveling Space Studies program, or the Southern Hemisphere program as well. Very cool..
You ready?.
I'm ready..
So moon or Mars first? Both..
This is-- yeah, I know. Diamandis corporation. You know, before coming on the show though,.
What was your perspective then? Because I assume it.
Changed a little bit. Ah, dear..
I think-- you know, I think it was moon first for me, like before the show and before really getting back into space, because.
You can see the moon. If I was to go outside and try and point out to my mom where the moon is,.
It's pretty clear..
She knows where it is. But if I try to.
Point out Mars, she'd be like, oh, that one or the one next to it? It's almost infinitely harder to have a connection to this tiny dot compared to this huge thing in the sky that you've seen.
Since you're a child. So I was moon first..
But now the more.
I learn about Mars.
And the more I want to go there and grow plants on Mars and live there and.
Die there, I've.
Kind of shifted to.
Mars first as well..
But I think there's benefits to doing both of them. Totally..
So the next question.
Is, would you go?.
I guess you've.
Already answered that. Would you go?.
Oh yeah..
I'm going to die on Mars. Yeah?.
Nice..
For sure..
I like it..
When do you think humans will first land on Mars? 2027..
Not earlier..
No..
And 2027 is still.
Really ambitious..
That's only 10 years from now. Yep..
It's already 2017..
That's so crazy..
It's really close, isn't it? Oh my gosh..
How exciting..
Yeah, right?.
When do you think humans will set foot on the moon again? 2022..
Really?.
Interesting..
I'm quite ambitious..
No, I mean..
I am totally into it. And then I believe we probably have covered this one, but in case people didn't see your last interview, why space? Oh, because, I.
Mean space is just.
That symbolization of everything that humanity can achieve and everything that we can do to expand our knowledge and awareness of the universe and to get ourselves out there in the pursuit of knowledge and the pursuit of exploration. It's kind of the final frontier, and I guess really a noble quest, if you will, because we've.
Explored pretty much as much as we can here on earth, except for the deep oceans. And to me, it kind of feels just really natural. It's-- the sky has always been above us since we've been born, since we started to.
Learn how to walk..
And there's just.
So much potential..
Like to be looking at something since you were young and then realizing.
That you can actually go there, when it's felt so far away for such.
A long amount of time. So that's why space..
It's-- you know, I won't talk necessarily a whole lot about my day job..
But my day job is.
Pretty awesome..
And sometimes you get lost in the everyday stuff, right? Like you're having a.
Fight with a coworker, or you've run out of.
Something that you need, or anything along those lines. And any time I have.
The opportunity.
To give a tour of.
My place of work,.
It brings back all of that, because it's that perspective again of, oh, right..
I actually do have.
An awesome job..
I actually do work in a really awesome place. And a think space, when you talk to somebody.
Else about why they.
Got interested in space or how they got interested in space or involved.
Or when you talk to somebody who is passionate about what it is that they do-- regardless of what it is, I suppose. But I really like space. It brings back all.
Of that, right?.
Definitely, for sure. It always kind of--.
It makes you kind of put everything into perspective about-- these are the everyday things that you're doing in your life, but why are you doing them? Why do you do the things that you do for every day? Why are you slugging away in this 9:00 to 5:00 job? And like, how can.
You help humanity.
To be a better version of itself, kind of?.
Space I think really helps me to always remember that. Awesome..
Ah, perfect..
I don't want to ruin it. We're just going to.
End it there and we're going to move on a little bit. Thank you, Lisa, so very, very much for helping me out for the segment..
I appreciate it.
More than you know..
What we're going.
To do next is we're.
Going to take another little bit of a break. And when we come.
Back, we're going.
To have comments from last week's show..
So stay with us..
We'll be right back..
FIRE WALKING"].
When it's hot, she keeps on moving, through the heat You know what's really sad, is that Mike is not an actual hologram, because-- or any sort of virtual assistant here--.
Not that I don't like you, Mike, the way that you are. I'm a real boy..
But it would be.
Really cool if I was.
Able to kind of wheel you in with Lisa, or wheel Lisa into here..
And then I would just have everybody all at the same time and it would be really cool. Sadly, that's not a thing. She's little though..
She would fit..
And it would be amazing. Next patreon goal..
Wheels for my little.
Static robot legs..
That would be so cool. I won't scream this.
Time, because I.
Am in the control.
Room with Deta and I.
Don't want to blow his ears out, although I probably did last time..
So sorry for that..
But we have a lot.
Of people to thank,.
And it is so amazing that we have this many people to thank. And I am so very,.
Very, very grateful..
These, of course again, are our Escape Velocity patrons. These are the people who and have gotten access to the Slack channel. We, of course, also have our Orbital patrons..
These people have.
Given us $5 or more.
And have access to the worldwide swag store free shipping, which is really, really cool. But then there's more. We have our Suborbital patrons. given us $2.50 or more. They get access to After Dark, early access to After Dark, It's the show after the show. We can talk about space things. We can talk about.
Not space things--.
How Mike isn't.
Actually a hologram..
All those different things. You get more access to this, which is really great. But there's also the still very, very important Ground Support patrons..
Given us $1 or more..
You get your name in the show. Of course, you get access to Google Hangouts..
And these people--.
Ground Support I think is a really, really great term for these people,.
Because they really.
Are laying the foundation for everybody else.
To build on top of that. So thank you really.
Very sincerely..
Thank any single person who's ever given us anything through patreon..
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are making this happen. Hopefully we are.
Making you proud..
If you would like to become a patron in the Ground Support, Suborbital, Orbital, or Escape Velocity variation, hit up patreon.com/tmro. Thank you, because--.
It's a great way.
Of putting that..
It makes me humble to be able to say thank you to you. So I appreciate that. Moving on..
We have our previous show topic was Discovering Our Universe. Is that really.
What we called it?.
We called it Discovering Our-- OK..
I don't know either..
That's what it says in the show notes though. So Discovering Our Universe, with Fraser Cain-- not Fraser Crane, but still just as good. Fraser was an.
Awesome-- thank you,.
Fraser again for being our first guest for Orbit 10 and having the patience with us in our bumpy road there. So first comment.
Comes off of YouTube. This one comes from-- I did not read these names. This is Harry Andruschak. Andruschak..
Shack?.
Andruschak?.
Harry, I apologize for-- MICHAEL CLARK: For.
Butchering your name. Says, "Not on that first China launch-- that.
Might not have been insulation you saw falling off, but ice. Does China use liquid oxygen? That could cause ice to form." As we've seen many a time in many a launch vehicle-- but you would know.
Better than I, Mike..
So ideas on that one? So there are a couple of Long March rockets that do use a liquid.
Oxygen liquid hydrogen upper stage engine, kind of the same cryogenics. But the lower stages are the kind of more toxic fuels that they have been.
Using in the past..
The launch last week, that was a Long March 2D, I believe. I think so..
So I believe that.
That one does have--.
Actually, no..
I don't think that one-- you know what?.
I'm going to have.
To do some research..
As far as I know, the 2D is a two stage rocket and does not use any.
Of the liquid hydrogen or liquid oxygen, but I could be wrong on that. to look into that..
That's a very,.
Very good question..
I should have read this ahead of time as well. So I could have been prepared. I'm sorry, Harry..
That's all right..
I mean, it's one.
Of the best parts.
About this show being live. That being said--.
That being said.
Though, that very well could have been the ice that was falling off and not insulation. However, the reason that I said that it was insulation was some other footage that they had of the launch processing, and it looked like.
There was just.
A bunch of these kind of white tiles on the payload fairing that it didn't look like that later on in flight. I couldn't see the.
Details of that..
So all that stuff.
That was falling away from it-- that's why I might have mistakenly said that that was insulation. But that's why I said that. You mean China doesn't broadcast their launches in 4K yet?.
Not yet..
They're just barely.
Getting to 360p, man. No, actually every.
Once in awhile,.
They will have really good quality, like the Long March 5 inaugural launch last year. That was in full HD.
And that was awesome. So we'll see if they-- I'm sure things will get better and better for that. But I think it really depends on the launches. I'm sure we'll still get really grainy, low quality for a lot that are military and secret payload type launches. But we'll see how things go. It's getting better all the time-- from everyone, not just China and-- you know, India's launch footage is getting better..
Everyone..
I'm sorry..
We're focused on.
This way too much..
No, I got you..
I totally understand. So next question, or.
Question and comment, also comes off of YouTube. This one comes from.
Theodore Warthen..
"How will the information gathered from a mission to a Trojan asteroid differ from that of a mission to an asteroid in the normal asteroid belt? How do these groups of asteroids differ from each other?" This is a great question for Jared, who is not here. Mike, do you have any insight on this one,.
Because I really.
Don't unfortunately..
So I am not the.
Resident astronomer,.
But to my understanding, the Trojan asteroids.
Are a little bit.
Different because even though the main asteroid belt and the Trojan asteroids might have formed at the same time and possibly even in the same place,.
The main asteroid belt has had a lot of the.
Heavy bombardments..
So a lot of pieces.
Have been hit..
I mean, we can just look at some of the bigger asteroids, or rather dwarf planet series, and the very large asteroid Vesta in the main asteroid belt,.
Just to look at the.
Bombardment there..
So there has been.
A lot of activity.
In the main asteroid belt, whereas the Trojan asteroids have been relatively.
Undisturbed..
And also some of them might be captured asteroids that were not from the but from somewhere.
Out in space--.
You know, a rogue asteroid that wasn't originally formed around our sun..
So to my understanding, the reason.
Why we want to check out these Trojan asteroids is A, to get a better, more pristine sample.
Of the asteroids that did form in our solar system, to get that go back to the source type of information. And also if we.
Discover any others.
That did not form here and get interesting data about that. But it's more about.
Getting the better samples, to my understanding..
I could be very.
Wrong about that,.
And hopefully Jared isn't cringing as he's hearing this. And I'm sure he'll.
Correct us if we're wrong. I was just going.
To say, worse comes.
To worse, when Jared.
Comes back next week, and Jared will be.
Hosting next week,.
He can fill in the.
Details there on that one. So next question also This one comes from richo61. Says "Big fan of Fraser and Universe Today..
He's an excellent.
Science communicator." You know what?.
That's a perfect.
Way of wording that..
"Good choice for an interview." It wasn't even.
Necessarily a choice, per se, so much as saying, hey, would you mind doing this? And he said gladly..
So that was really amazing. Again--.
Shh..
You're ruining the magic. I mean, I would love to say that we had just our choices. It would be like, oh, I shall interview you this day, and I shall interview you that day..
One day I think maybe we will get there.
And people will be calling us to be interviewed, as opposed to us having to reach out and touch somebody else. But at the same time, yeah, really great interview. He was, like I said,.
Very patient with us. I appreciate that very much. And yeah, really-- it was nice. He is a very excellent science communicator. That was a very good, good way of saying that. So next question-- I keep saying that-- comment comes off of YouTube from our.
Very own Destructor1701. I had to laugh at.
This one, Destructor. "Before I go into.
Break, just a few.
Questions that we ask everyone. Then 11 minutes of.
Answers before the break. Love it..
Great interview.".
You know what's funny? You know, I'm sure as Ben-credible would say, we will go over if.
The content dictates. We were having a.
Great interview..
We were having really great discussions.
And there was really great answers that Fraser Cain gave. So you know, I think.
That it's OK sometimes when we go over like that. And just like Destructor said, love it..
I mean, it was good stuff that we were talking about. So there wasn't any issue there. But it is funny how we will say that a lot..
You know, even today.
During the news segment, it was like, oh just real quick, I want to say this. And then six, seven.
Minutes later--.
Right, you know--.
We're done with that topic. Because I didn't read who wrote the comments, but I did read the comments themselves beforehand. And that really sincerely got into my head..
And so I was like, hey, how am I doing on time, you guys? In the other room..
And I'm like, because I feel like tied to Lisa, wow, like I feel like it's doing good. But I don't know how long I've been talking to her for. And I have these other things I'm going to do. And that's all I could think was like, oh no. Just a couple of.
Really quick questions. No big deal..
But Lisa and I, we.
Just continued to talk. Thank you, of course, to Lisa for keeping me on track for that one. So that was hilarious. Destructor, you.
Stop it..
Last comment comes off of patreon, actually. This one comes.
From Thom Westcott..
It says, "Dark.
Energy, dark matter..
Like I tell my third graders who just discovered infinity, it's not a real thing. Just means that if you think that's the answer, there was something wrong with your question.".
It's a fascinating way of looking at that..
And I'm going to--.
Watch out, Jared..
Trigger warning..
I'm going to leave.
That one for Jared.
To answer, as I have no information about dark energy, other than anything that Jared has ever taught me, which he has taught me a lot. Don't get me wrong..
But I don't want to.
Speak from an area.
That I really am just not secure in, if you will. Mike, did you have.
Anything to add to that. Nope..
We'll let Jared talk about it. I can't wait..
This is going to be amazing. That will be amazing. So what's going to.
Happen is that next week, I will also not be here. Sorry, Mike..
I guess the show is all yours. Mike and Deta will.
Be here, and Jared.
Will be back here, which will be very, very cool. And Jared is going to be not only answering that question-- he will also be interviewing Dennis Wingo, which.
For those of you who.
Know, that should.
Be a really great interview. I'm very excited for Jared to be able to do that. That will be very, very cool. So we are not going to be having an After Dark. I apologize..
So those of you who get access, I apologize for that right now. But what you do get is some really great content that we created here.
Today, if you will..
So thank you, patreon patrons, one more time. And Mike, I think.
That's about it..
I will see you in two weeks. Bye..
Enjoy your annual.
Disney pilgrimage..
That's what you guys.
Are doing, right?.
Yup..
It's my birthday, so that's what's going on there. And thank you to Deta for keeping everything going. Thank you once again to Lisa for joining us and giving a really great interview. You were so easy to talk to. I appreciate that on so many different levels. And thank you guys, of course, for joining us every single week live. And even on demand..
It's great to have you. We couldn't do this without you. And when I say that,.
It's not just like.
That we wouldn't do.
This without you..
We probably still would. But we can't continue to make it better.
Every single week without you. So thank you one more time. That's it for me..
I'll see you guys in two weeks. Have fun next week..
And thanks for.
Hanging out with me..


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