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Here or you can use ok confession is again very different from some of the sessions we've had in previous am SWA meetings called new unconventional concepts and legal ramifications ugly word legal ramifications but it actually we're going to have a paper later on in the week dealing with the legal issues of the modification from a person who has attended these references before we look forward to that Professor coming from university of new mexico the first often in this fashion efficient to atmospheric seen as a research tool by milan Jenkins from useful scientific enterprise is corporation houston texas and his co-author DJ easily have yet to start off with one thing coauthor eventually because he died in december and i was able to cobble together enough is part of the paper to find get the paper out and i'm a little soft and some of the concepts on the type of the shield and and that because my background in engineering your health Space engineering and work for NASA for 38 years and had retired recently so the entertainment inc and enterprises is nevaeh smaller organization to right after expenses on this nation's things my dad graduated from university of texas and accounting area and came home and result she said she wanted to become a lawyer and engineer that things things in perspective certainly illegal dynamic vacations are an aspect that we need to to understand before we start using a lot of the techniques the thing i want to bring in is use microwave beings as a research and understand the weather so try to go through this and be able to find the to take the aspects of the early stages that my ultimate goal is to provide a basis for state-based as they clean renewable energy source and that concept shows none of the slides ship the climate change i think is a reality and space-based solar power that can provide a clean venir the energy source that says there's certainly a lot of uncertainty in the development of a solar power which.
The particular aspects of that induce a state to provide a capability to heat the coming down offender storm to prevent tornadoes and we're growing that concepts that says the potential benefits you think support demonstration of the elements of space-based solar power.
Certainly we want to and I think these are guidelines the National Academy of Sciences outlines certainly basic theoretical modeling and simulations defined the potential for instability and chaos smart litigation experience and then behind the requirements for three design development cost analysis of the system that we want to study related natural events center side effects so the particular research concept that is a creation of a plasma pattern in the high altitude and then Eastern had come up with the ideas that he could leverage the effects of cosmic rays to reduce the energy requirements for this the plasma pattern so if we can establish the plasma then there are certainly some ways to be able to evaluate and use that to define certain weather phenomena and provide a basis for the computer analysis of thunderstorms and weather systems and dan was involved in this high frequency of the research project which was somewhat infamous art project on the North Slope of Alaska and describe a little later that he is the concept games defined that we should have a pattern forming that is associated with a particular the idea was to create a present pattern in the upper atmosphere and again then didn't we didn't get a chance to discuss the cosmic particles can reduce the energy requirements for producing the plasma pattern 4-7 wait for the particles to trigger the plasma and then apply more energy to create the appellant is a little background on historic years and again I'm very soft on understanding a lot of this.
And so I kind of the bottom line was they haven't introduced because of the high requirements and these ideas using this the initiation to raise two fingers of having made some results over the weather modification concepts certainly my frustration in sending the meteorology conferences you mentioned weather modification it's always because the meeting so there are some other concepts using all slicks to moderate hurricanes mistake heating dear hurricane and using the selected heating to disrupt the conductive shears that produce tornadoes particular concepts the tornado provision destruction process is the concept college a thunderstorm solar-powered satellite solar-powered satellite concept was developed by heat equation vacuum the sixties and the idea was to lay an array of solar cells out in geosynchronous orbit convert that energy into microwave energy beam it down to the surface of the earth converted back into electricity and provinces the commercial power grid and the thunderstorms so past analyzed it would be a smaller version of that and the the main output would be a concentrated microwave being that go into while we try to identify key volume in a storm and direct intense energy into that area and learning the culminating in the downdraft that we would disrupt the convective sheer process in the thunderstorm and one of the issues with the absorption by the the rain would hope would absorb most of the microwave intense microwave energy before you cook the people in the trailer park that you just say from the tornado pluses and minuses involvement in the particular aspect so we definitely need interactive feedback army absorption and the effect of the beans in order to direct it into a particular area.
Overview that the new scientists put together you have the solar power satellite what's the first quarter ok.
Oh okay sure yeah okay so we got the solar power satellite and we need a computer simulations to tell us we're in orbit.
We'd like to not go all the way out to geosynchronous orbit and maybe have the satellite in a sun-synchronous orbit so that were over tornado alley at the appropriate time in the afternoon thunderstorms likely to produce tornadoes but the idea was to then the idea was to generate a microwave theme has a particular frequency that is tuned to the because a range of size decent selection meeting to affect the downdraft and that interns would disrupt any conducting shears that are creating the the tornadoes are concentrating the energy in the tornadoes tornado Genesis is not going to stood we think that they only in about twenty percent of the thunderstorms that we need to identify whether people improve their identification and recreations certainly the warning times of increased a lot of complex interactions here that need to be defined just put into the computer program to tell us where the endless understand to focus the particular energy but how much energy we would need and twin in the storm and the duration of the energy input depends on the definition fine structure of the supercell from the storm and we only looked at supercell thunderstorms as being a potential for interaction here we did get the caps at the University of Oklahoma to put a selected heating into their their computer simulations of the thunderstorm and determine what the microwave heating would be and only this particular stimulation we put tents of the.
Standard reference so polished that light the reference satellite was 5 gigawatts then have been half a gigawatt into the cold rain down dressed and it just totally like to that and so we fix them had 2.2 that saying we can interact with the thunderstorms that we need to refine that interaction and at that stage the simulation didn't show as the labor to improve the simulation show the formation of tornadoes that we haven't had access to that too to interact to see what sort of requirements would be needed to use identity tornadoes thunderstorm that is certainly in the art of stimulation we need a definition of the initial conditions need the chemistry of temperature pressure and speeds and we think that the plasma shield could provide some of these measurements and relationally we saw a GPS signal analysis may also provide some information on the atmospheric parameters that we think we need to close to real time into the simulation to interact if we're going to try to interact with the thunderstorm we need to have the good definition of that particular thunderstorm so this is output that had from his computer simulations demonstrating the tornado formation and I still not convinced we really have a aghast and how the the tornadoes form in the issue here has been that runs through stimulation on a supercomputer of action and it's not even on site they're homeless self getting the computer simulation of the tornado formation process needs to be simplified always neglected some demonstration concepts one of the things critical things is transmission of microwave energy to the the atmosphere and looked at some ideas of using the International Space Station as a defined some of these early research issues so we will put a McKenna on the space station and have a big antenna array antenna on the surface of the happened and collect the energy and determine the transmission sex with losses and that sort of thing and then we would hope to put LEM and then 10 army the space station and then do the opposite team advance your retina on the surface of the earth but this is the very concept of the solar power satellite and the idea here was selected to use energy as the where solar cells carpet into a phased array antenna converted into microwave and energy and doing it down to the surface of the earth and then converted back into electricity.
So no recently there was a workshop at Breckenridge on state specifically military logistics the idea was to replace fossil fuels into the the military in a particular tactical situation that we could then have provide the overview effect from a solar power satellite to provide additional energy into the system and they as they came out with some specific goals workshop report and that report you look at a solar powered it came out of that last October anyway national energy independent to assist allies in their energy independence provide economic benefits for energy exports and provide environmental benefits from reduce carbon emissions and we think that it was provided stratego for the evolutionary that 288 commercial solar power satellite system that provides the major amount of energy so summery our initial indications simulations show that we can affect a thunderstorm we need to refine their simulations and understanding of tornado Genesis we must avoid adverse effects and the garden with enough understanding through include legal action and this plasma heating layer may provide us an interactive resource to roller demonstrates a lot of aspects only state so they still applies studies with support the technical feasibility of the the solar-powered satellite system so stay solar power the objective collect solar energy states for use on earth convert that energy into the microwave beam for transmission and the thing that convinced me that this might work was JPL on their goal stone in Senna had set up a demonstration back in the seventies and they be microwave energy across the canyon let up a battery of a football field white and they did it as an efficiency for that particular length of eighty-three percent so energy into the antenna and output to the football field lights was eighty-three percent that it if you sum up all the solar heat the the efficiencies and that there have been a lot of changes and and that and solar cell efficiency and that it was studying intensely by NASA back in the nineties operational space solar power and putting the Air Force decided to take a look at this they do on a lot of the resources that has been developed their see ok so we think that certain aspects of this and unfortunately I haven't been able to find a sponsor or tap into the right combination of things to get some funding for this research that certainly has its potential to provide this clean renewable energy from space the usually doesn't have to be like a plan.
Yeah and shown that whole moderate yeah according to a hole last hole like the simulation yeah yeah yeah that certainly as something good to be refinished the forward and it depends on make the computer in our system and us being able to determine the effects of how much energy and wherein the the system that we would put this this particular energy and and it made me you you're right it may very well be that this not this the right approach to prevent tornadoes performing in the thunderstorms he did you give the game begins only the frequency on the interaction that you want to get particular of raindrops size that you want to interact with in the thunderstorm and that again is something that needs to be analyzed it typically the the microwave will penetrate certified cover that slide razor is laser transfers from solar power satellites and that is not particularly practical because of the reflecting the problem but certainly the microwave energy.
As certain frequency trade i'll just mention the panel of the proposed have to do with altering the location shooting range of structures so that shown microwave energy localized areas something else might want to have just shown me dr. rash hoffman had done as they got funded by the national institute for advanced concepts to take a look at steering hurricanes and I don't know whether he has any input into that i'll go ahead and try to get them from my microchip be after the study and and we'll go ahead and provide that aspect tomorrow night in the panel and one more.
Oh yes that's the advantage of the phased array antenna you can very quickly steering steering and directors the beam but you can also if you're in trouble you can then and distribute the energy be very quickly don't know again this relation to build comment about the heating we haven't been able to even Shui and we've been talking to them about interacting with the computer simulations and given the smoking yet on the initial simulations were about 50 meters diameter game and forget the intensity numbers we work in that building is a very intense beam and and one of the concerns was absorbing that energy in with the cold rain before it got to the surface of the earth so to cause some issues there now with the solar power satellites you keep that beam energy distributed over else a very large area so it's it's like being 12 spoon to a microwave antenna that you know.
Typically you don't have significant effects about that.
So you want to keep that that being intensity down and that's another issue about using laser as the energy transfer technique is that he want what you want to not have to worry about the airplane soaring into the and that's orbiting that aspect of it favor oh you're from emotion corporate co and collaborator.
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